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AJ against button raiser
by bobcorn » Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:31 pm
This hand is from a $15+1 turbo.
PokerStars Game #3123148758: Tournament #15444284, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/11/21 - 22:16:15 (ET)
Table '15444284 1' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: bobcorn (1230 in chips)
Seat 3: Robken (4833 in chips)
Seat 5: ramrod187 (550 in chips)
Seat 6: tubbsmilloy (3020 in chips)
Seat 8: wert1234 (760 in chips)
Seat 9: UROVIBE (3107 in chips)
bobcorn: posts small blind 50
Robken: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bobcorn [Jh Ah]
ramrod187: folds
tubbsmilloy: folds
wert1234: folds
UROVIBE: raises 100 to 200
bobcorn: ???
UROVIBE is very loose but this is only his 2nd time raising preflop. The big blind is a rock so i dont have to worry about him calling. Should i push or call and see a flop?
Results:
bobcorn: raises 1030 to 1230 and is all-in
Robken: folds
UROVIBE: calls 1030
*** FLOP *** [4c Ks 9c]
*** TURN *** [4c Ks 9c] [8h]
*** RIVER *** [4c Ks 9c 8h] [Tc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bobcorn: shows [Jh Ah] (high card Ace)
UROVIBE: shows [Qc Qs] (a pair of Queens)
UROVIBE collected 2560 from pot
PokerStars Game #3123148758: Tournament #15444284, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/11/21 - 22:16:15 (ET)
Table '15444284 1' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: bobcorn (1230 in chips)
Seat 3: Robken (4833 in chips)
Seat 5: ramrod187 (550 in chips)
Seat 6: tubbsmilloy (3020 in chips)
Seat 8: wert1234 (760 in chips)
Seat 9: UROVIBE (3107 in chips)
bobcorn: posts small blind 50
Robken: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bobcorn [Jh Ah]
ramrod187: folds
tubbsmilloy: folds
wert1234: folds
UROVIBE: raises 100 to 200
bobcorn: ???
UROVIBE is very loose but this is only his 2nd time raising preflop. The big blind is a rock so i dont have to worry about him calling. Should i push or call and see a flop?
Results:
bobcorn: raises 1030 to 1230 and is all-in
Robken: folds
UROVIBE: calls 1030
*** FLOP *** [4c Ks 9c]
*** TURN *** [4c Ks 9c] [8h]
*** RIVER *** [4c Ks 9c 8h] [Tc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bobcorn: shows [Jh Ah] (high card Ace)
UROVIBE: shows [Qc Qs] (a pair of Queens)
UROVIBE collected 2560 from pot
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by poormanbilly » Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:52 pm
Eh, tough one. I've played a few of these turbos and my first thought was to do the exact same thing you did. I almost always go with that first thought. OTOH, if you think UROVIBE isn't a fish, his min raise probably means he is looking for action. You didn't say when the blinds raise again, but you can't wait around forever.
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by puckhead23 » Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:10 am
To be honest, I didn't know which way to go until you said that this was urovibe's 2nd preflop raise. Weakish players tend to raise preflop with only premium hands (hence all of the family pots), so I was leaning toward "call and see a flop" after reading that statement.
I have never played a turbo, so I do not have an appreciation for how fast the blinds raise. You are at a point where you're 4th in chips, and all the leaders have triple your stack. While you still have time to pick a better spot to push in a standard SnG, I can't say this holds (or doesn't hold) true in a turbo.
I have never played a turbo, so I do not have an appreciation for how fast the blinds raise. You are at a point where you're 4th in chips, and all the leaders have triple your stack. While you still have time to pick a better spot to push in a standard SnG, I can't say this holds (or doesn't hold) true in a turbo.
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by bobcorn » Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:57 pm
The blinds were going up to 75/150 soon. I wasnt sure what his min raise meant because at this level, if someone has a high pp they usually limp or raise big. I've found that a min raise usually means a marginal hand. If he was a chronic button raiser my push wouldve been easy but he wasnt. Thanks for the comments.
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by tightpoker » Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:05 pm
If this is only the 2nd raise PF, then I let go of this hand here I think. Given he's min stealing vs the 1st stack, that's like saying he's not too worried about getting action back at him. Of course, the button steal with the min raise can look seriously suspect, but with no prior steals of this nature, I still would rather get out of the way.
A call would definitely not be the best option in this case, unless you can spike an Ace and hope to not be dominated. Calling leaves 500 in the pot, which pretty much makes a push close to your only option on the flop if you want to take it down.
A call would definitely not be the best option in this case, unless you can spike an Ace and hope to not be dominated. Calling leaves 500 in the pot, which pretty much makes a push close to your only option on the flop if you want to take it down.
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