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Advice? Top pair with scary board
by johnny » Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:05 pm
Think it's played ok? On the previous hand I lost after flopping a J high flush when a 4th spade fell on the river so I may have looked tilty.
Hero (BTN): $48.30
SB: $28.75
BB: $27.15
UTG: $26.30
Preflop:
($0, 4 players)
UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, SB calls $2, BB calls $1.75, UTG calls $1.75
Flop:
($8.25, 4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $2.50, UTG calls $2.50, Hero raises to $10.75, SB folds, BB calls $8.25, UTG calls $8.25
Turn: 2s As 3s [:2d:] ($40.5, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks
River: 2s As 3s 2d [:Ts:] ($40.5, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $3, Hero calls $3, BB calls $3
Showdown
Hero had
(two pair, Aces and Twos)
BB had
(a flush, Ace high) and won $48.25
UTG had
(a flush, Ace high)
Final Pot: $47.50 ($2.00 rake)
Hero (BTN): $48.30
SB: $28.75
BB: $27.15
UTG: $26.30
Preflop:
($0, 4 players)
UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, SB calls $2, BB calls $1.75, UTG calls $1.75
Flop:
($8.25, 4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $2.50, UTG calls $2.50, Hero raises to $10.75, SB folds, BB calls $8.25, UTG calls $8.25
Turn: 2s As 3s [:2d:] ($40.5, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks
River: 2s As 3s 2d [:Ts:] ($40.5, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $3, Hero calls $3, BB calls $3
Showdown
Hero had
(two pair, Aces and Twos)
BB had
(a flush, Ace high) and won $48.25
UTG had
(a flush, Ace high)
Final Pot: $47.50 ($2.00 rake)
by johnny » Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:53 pm
What about this one? If you count this as being beat by a flush, which isn't certain at all, that would make 9 already tonight. I'm starting to really doubt my play when there is a flush possibility on the board.
MP1: $47.85
MP2: $33.50
CO: $23.35
Hero (BTN): $41.80
SB: $59.9
BB: $24.5
UTG: $48.70
Preflop:
($0, 7 players)
UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero raises to $1.75, SB folds, BB calls $1.25
Flop:
($3, 2 players)
BB bets $1.85, Hero raises to $5.55, BB raises to $20.40, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $14.85 returned to BB
Turn: Jd 3d 5d [] ($14.1, 1 players)
No action
River: Jd 3d 5d [] ($14.1, 1 players)
No action
MP1: $47.85
MP2: $33.50
CO: $23.35
Hero (BTN): $41.80
SB: $59.9
BB: $24.5
UTG: $48.70
Preflop:
($0, 7 players)
UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero raises to $1.75, SB folds, BB calls $1.25
Flop:
($3, 2 players)
BB bets $1.85, Hero raises to $5.55, BB raises to $20.40, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $14.85 returned to BB
Turn: Jd 3d 5d [] ($14.1, 1 players)
No action
River: Jd 3d 5d [] ($14.1, 1 players)
No action
by crunny » Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:56 am
The first hand is interesting.
I think we need to go all-in on the turn. We have the best hand here, their play screams of a draw. No one is slow-playing a better ace, two pair or trips/set on this board. You should only be worried about a full house, so don't be worried at all
I think we need to go all-in on the turn. We have the best hand here, their play screams of a draw. No one is slow-playing a better ace, two pair or trips/set on this board. You should only be worried about a full house, so don't be worried at all
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by sfustsh » Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:56 am
Yeah the first hand is a definite push on the turn. There is too much money in that pot to let the draw for free. As played someone needs to teach UTG how to value bet, holy shit.
I'm not sure about the second hand. Usually in a cash game I can let that go, but I feel like I am folding the best hand most of the time. The problem is that you have no outs if you are drawing dead and even if you're ahead you're not ahead by a lot.
I'm not sure about the second hand. Usually in a cash game I can let that go, but I feel like I am folding the best hand most of the time. The problem is that you have no outs if you are drawing dead and even if you're ahead you're not ahead by a lot.
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by randy72560 » Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:10 pm
You must dump hand 1 on the river. Hand 2 is ok, just an ugly board and no need to invest much...
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by neverthink » Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:52 pm
Hand 1 slow down on the flop, just call unless you are feeling good about pushing the turn or committing to your hand (which I wouldn't be!). As played, you inflated the pot where your equity was not so high, and then checked and lost the hand when you were suddenly a big favourite. Far better to call the flop, and raise a safe turn.
Hand 2 is ok, he probably has a set or the NFD which you're in a coinflip with. Other line could be to just call him down if you think he'll semibluff enough. But yeah, QQ not good here a lot now, good fold.
Hand 2 is ok, he probably has a set or the NFD which you're in a coinflip with. Other line could be to just call him down if you think he'll semibluff enough. But yeah, QQ not good here a lot now, good fold.
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by neverthink » Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:59 pm
Ugignadl wrote:First hand, not good, must push the turn. They made a big call on the F trying to get free cards on the T, don't let them.
That's the problem with raising the flop, though it may be correct, it's a tough spot on the turn, and checking behind gives them free shots, and shoving (I would think) only gets called from a huge slowplayed hand. Controlling the pot is more important than defending your AJ. Inflating the pot and then not defending is just even more spewy. Raise flop and you must push turn, think a street ahead, if you're uncomfortable with that, then revise your flop action. I don't mind getting outdrawn in small pots in this spot.
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by ugignadl » Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:11 pm
neverthink wrote:Ugignadl wrote:First hand, not good, must push the turn. They made a big call on the F trying to get free cards on the T, don't let them.
That's the problem with raising the flop, though it may be correct, it's a tough spot on the turn, and checking behind gives them free shots, and shoving (I would think) only gets called from a huge slowplayed hand. Controlling the pot is more important than defending your AJ. Inflating the pot and then not defending is just even more spewy. Raise flop and you must push turn, think a street ahead, if you're uncomfortable with that, then revise your flop action. I don't mind getting outdrawn in small pots in this spot.
You will also get called by draws, people like to gamble. That's the main reason I push this turn. Free card is just awful.
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by nlman » Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:23 pm
You absolutely have to push the turn here, especially against 2 short stacks. Any short stack with half a brain would push a good ace, set, 2-pair or a baby flush on that flop instead of calling. They did not do it, so you know you are ahead on the turn.
Also, I am not calling even a $1 bet on that river. (I might pay $0.5 only to see his cards).
I am folding the 2-nd hand without a read. It is a coin toss even if he has Ax.
Also, I am not calling even a $1 bet on that river. (I might pay $0.5 only to see his cards).
I am folding the 2-nd hand without a read. It is a coin toss even if he has Ax.
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