$12 6 max (turbo) question

[hiho]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (6 handed) TightPoker converter

BB (t1500)
UTG (t1940)
MP (t1460)
CO (t1260)
Button (t1340)
Hero (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
UTG calls t20, MP calls t20, CO calls t20, 1 fold, Hero raises to t100, BB calls t80, UTG calls t80, MP calls t80, CO folds.

Flop: (t420) , , (4 players)
Hero bets t460, BB folds, UTG raises to t920, MP raises to t1360, Hero???

[randy72560]

Bah, push that shit... If he's hit a set or two pair, you just have to pay him off... Also, that's one of the problems when playing the "turbo" style.. There is lots more gamblers and donks than even just the regular $13 6 max tables... You just can't afford to fold that hand with the fast blind structure IMO.

[mewsiclovr]

My gut says you're behind but there's too much in the pot to fold. Also, c-bet is too large, make it 300-350.

[darinvg]

My gut says you're behind but there's too much in the pot to fold. Also, c-bet is too large, make it 300-350.

This is my thinking. c-bet 300 so you can get away from it. As played, pretty tough to fold.

[hiho]

The pot was at 420, you really think that I should have bet less then the pot with two hearts out there?

[mewsiclovr]

Sure, it still makes them pay to draw since you will continue to fire on later streets, and if you bet less than pot then lesser hands will follow along.

I've been experimenting with c-betting 1/2-3/4 pot and have had good success. But you also have to know when your hand is no good. And yeah, I suck at that sometimes.

[hiho]

Interesting, thanks. Even if I bet 100 less I would have had a tough time throwing it away because so many people would go all in with AT+ here.

[darinvg]

You don't have to be that scared of the flush draw. They're 4:1 to hit on turn so you still aren't giving them the correct odds. I normally don't fold TPTK either but vs two villians you should usually get away from it.

[sfustsh]

I think you're either way behind or slightly ahead.

[ugignadl]

If you bet 300 then you could fold, but here you have to call just on odds.

[hiho]

If you bet 300 then you could fold, but here you have to call just on odds.

Could someone explain this? If I bet 300 the stack would be 3000 and it would be 1100 to call (2.7:1). If I bet the pot the stack would be 3120 and it would be 960 to call (3.25:1).

Not sure how odds plays a factor here. I have two outs to trip up and three outs to get two top pair, wouldn't that give me at best a 4.5:1 to improve. If you call here it is because you think that you have the best hand not that you're going to draw out.

[sfustsh]

You're thinking backwards hiho. Your odds of improving are 4.5 to 1 but your odds to call are 3.25 to 1. Your odds to call have to be better than your odds to improve.

You're not getting odds to improve. You're calling because you think you have the best hand 1/(3.25+1) percent of the time.

If the odds were different these ratios might not be satisfied.

[hiho]

You're thinking backwards hiho. Your odds of improving are 4.5 to 1 but your odds to call are 3.25 to 1. Your odds to call have to be better than your odds to improve.

You're not getting odds to improve. You're calling because you think you have the best hand 1/(3.25+1) percent of the time.

If the odds were different these ratios might not be satisfied.

Totally new to me. I would never call if I think that I have the best hand 1/(3.25+1) percent of the time

[LadyWrestler]

Personally, I agree with those who are saying lead the flop with a smaller bet.

Anyway, even in a turbo, after the raise and reraise, I would have believed that my TPTK was beaten. With that much action, I would have though that somebody had at least 2 pairs.

[ugignadl]

You're thinking backwards hiho. Your odds of improving are 4.5 to 1 but your odds to call are 3.25 to 1. Your odds to call have to be better than your odds to improve.

You're not getting odds to improve. You're calling because you think you have the best hand 1/(3.25+1) percent of the time.

If the odds were different these ratios might not be satisfied.

Exactly!