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11: Chase this combo draw from the blinds?
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by faquewdikhed » Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:51 am
ppadala wrote:sfustsh wrote:ppadala wrote:Raising is horrible.
I would call, but fold the turn if I don't hit.
These are the hands that will bring your ROI down actually unless you are careful. Folding is not bad either. I ocassionally fold if I am heavy-tabling.
Just shitting on me tonight, aren't you?
Why not raise the draw every once in a while? It seems like you can take this down.
Nope, I am not picking on you or anything. Let's see why raising is bad. You raise, x % of the time he calls and you are left with a difficult decision on the turn. You have invested significant chips and will be putting chips into the pot knowing that at best you are a flip or slightly better. At low stakes these guys call too often and the x is large making this highly -EV.
On the other hand, you edge comes from playing late game correctly. Even if this is slightly +EV for any reason (say the guy gives you his stack when you hit), there are much better EV opportunities later. So, there's absolutely no reason to take this risk now.
So, clearly, EV_call > EV_raise. Now, Is EV_fold > EV_call. Depends. I think calling here should be ok, but calling a reasonable bet on the turn if you don't hit is clearly bad.
Just adding to the why not raise.
SB is leading out into 4 people in an unraised pot. This usually indicates strength, meaning your semibluff raise with a decent draw is NOT likely to take the pot down. IE you are just putting more money in while behind.
Also, your Q outs are very marginal because they will complete an OESD.
I also call the turn getting 5:1 with position. OOP I dump it. There are still a lot of possible hands that you can run down. Reevaluate river, paying close attention to timing and bet size when making your decision.
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by mattaca » Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:17 am
I'm still back and forth on whether to call or fold the flop with 2 players to act behind you and no pot odds.
The turn for me is a simple call but I realize that someone behind me could push me out of this pot with a big raise.
I honestly think SB has a 9 in his hand. Maybe 98 or J9? It just looks like he caught a piece of the flop and hs a draw but now the 2nd T scares him. I also would be surprised if he just had a OESD.
The turn for me is a simple call but I realize that someone behind me could push me out of this pot with a big raise.
I honestly think SB has a 9 in his hand. Maybe 98 or J9? It just looks like he caught a piece of the flop and hs a draw but now the 2nd T scares him. I also would be surprised if he just had a OESD.
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